used as a campaign advertisement when there are problems all over the world. judy, was this a squandered opportunity? >> i think it was. i talked to him about that interview. he said, look, she had just had seven hours of testimony on capitol hill. i was not going to be able to draw her out any further on benghazi, but there were so many other issues he could have asked her about. one called it an embarrassing failure and what he did is compare to scott's interview with george bush which was staged 19 questions, like machine rattle attack. i compare that tha to early 60 minutes and is this a choice here we would have made. >> jon: let me read you something. most americans are cheering for them, meaning the obama and clinton and most americans wanted a softball interview. we have thus passed an important important tal. democrats are the regular guys, and conservatives are the weirdos. >> i think that is right. think if you were to check with people, they didn't think it was the moment to put the president and mrs. clinton on the grill with regard to foreign policy.